Spoilers for Fallout TV show
Butch:
Finished the Fallout show. AAAAA They're going to New Vegas!!!!
I don't want to wait!
But…How did Moldaver survive not ghouly?
And, big thing here, are we to believe that the Vault 33 overseer, Betty, is Coop's wife????
I think she is.
But I've been wrong before.
That show was good.
Feminina:
I also wondered how Moldaver survived if she didn't become a ghoul or get preserved in the vault overseer tanks, but I suppose this may be revealed in the next season.
Also, I don't think Betty is the cowghoul's wife: didn't we meet Betty in the past right before he learned about everything? She showed him into the office where he could overhear his wife in that meeting, and then let the other guy, Bud whoever, come in and chat about his plan to put Bud's Buds in charge forever. I think Betty is one of Bud's Buds.
Which leaves the wife unaccounted for and possibly (very probably) going to show up later.
Butch:
And, on that, wouldn't Lucy's dad had known Moldaver? And, if so, why'd he so cheerily let her into Vault 33? And why did Moldaver use raiders when she had NCR troops?
I shouldn't think too much. Show is good.
Loothound:
Yeah, Betty isn't Cooper's (cowghoul's, new term coined) wife. I think Femmy's right about her being one of Bud's Buds. Given the age difference, she must have been thawed out before Lucy's dad to be so much older. Bud as a brain in a jar is pure awesome, by the way.
I'm not so sure that he (Lucy's dad) would have known Moldaver in the first place. She didn't work at Vault-Tec, as far as I remember. She was running the secret "socialist" Hollywood resistance, which I'm not sure he would have been aware of. As to why use raiders as opposed to NCR troops, dunno. False flag operation?
Feminina:
I did wonder why raiders. Like, did that invasion have to be so murderous? But maybe raiders were the only people she could find willing to sign up to go into this creepy vault, which they apparently know at least something about ("whatever's going on, you're not innocent").
It seems hard to believe, there's always SOMEONE around willing to take a weird quest, but...maybe all the non-raider adventurers were busy gathering ingredients for deathclaw egg omelets or something.
Also, this is Fallout, so the graphic murder is kind of key.
Butch:
Well, I think it was murderous because the dude nuked Shady Sands, which wasn't very nice (especially as I spent many hours helping Shady Sands in Fallouts 1 and 2)!
Which also implies someone at Vault Tec still has nukes.
Loothound:
Oh, dang, you're right. So, maybe that's why she used/masqueraded as raiders. Out of fear of direct reprisal from VT? I mean, if they were sitting on nukes and I wanted to mess them up, I wouldn't want a target on my back either.
Damn vicious Vermonters, them.
Feminina:
dropped the first bomb originally, and Moldaver was around then, she would certainly have enough data points for what they're prepared to do that she wouldn't be in the mood to play nice, assuming she knew it was them back then.
I really do wonder why she's alive and not a ghoul. Maybe she got access to one of those suspended animation tubes for a while.
Or maybe she is a ghoul, but she figured out some secret that keeps her astoundingly well preserved compared to others. She was involved with fancy science stuff.
Butch:
Also, on Moldaver, what in the actual fuck was with those weirdos worshipping her as a god? The Flame Mother or some shit? The show threw that out there and then didn't touch on it again.
Because I do not remember any "Flame mother" stuff in the games. Or the Vault Dwellers worshipping anyone.
Feminina:
That was all pre-war, though, right? So it might have just been in there to indicate the type of person she was (a...real go-getter? someone who easily convinces others to follow her?), and not to say anything about the quasi-religious movement she may or may not have going on in the present.
Though certainly, you start one quasi-religious movement and what's to stop you from doing it again.
Loothound:
So, remember that really run-down ghoul that was in the HQ during the final fight. Moldaver seemed to be real close with them. Maybe she is a ghoul but escaped the ravages of ghouldom somehow? I have no idea about the Flame Mothe thing, though. Generally, if you're trying to lead a movement, a little religious fervor on your side doesn't hurt.
Butch:
Dude that was Lucy's mom. We're left to believe she went ghoul when Hank bombed shady sands. Hank ghouled his own wife!
Feminina:
Yeah, but he was very sad about it. And it was only because she refused to follow the program. I feel like he was still a sympathetic character here.
Just kidding. I'll be rooting for the ghoul to chase him down in New Vegas.
Loothound:
Lucy's mom? Jeez, how did I miss that. I need to train my brain to differentiate between background noise TV (for working) and actual TV (for watching) better. That's a major plot point. Bad Looty brain!
Feminina:
To be fair, this information was conveyed through meaningful looks, cuts, and camera shots, rather than anyone explicitly saying "Lucy, meet your mom the ghoul."
But she was in seriously bad shape, especially compared to the much-older Cowghoul – probably took a worse hit of the blast or something, however it works.
Loothound:
Yeah, not sure how ghoulism functions. I can't wait to see a Glowing One. THAT's gonna be freaky.
Butch:
Well, that and she was wearing the necklace Lucy remembered from the flashbacks.
Which Moldaver was also in!
Feminina:
Ghoulism IS weird. Like...apparently it can come from just ingesting a mix of chemicals, like with that Brotherhood guy, but also it can come from being near a radioactive blast. Presumably the chemical medicine was radioactive?
Or maybe there are different KINDS of ghouls. We don't know.
I honestly thought the Brotherhood guy was going to become a supermutant, not a ghoul...and come to think of it, maybe he did, the other guy just said "I think you might be a ghoul," so maybe he might ACTUALLY be a supermutant who can...take an arrow through the neck without apparent inconvenience.
We don't know!
Many things will no doubt become clear in the next season.
Which, I dunno, I might or might not watch...depending on what else is on...
Butch:
Oh I'm gonna binge it. For sure.
Yeah, I was wondering about that medicine. The games establish ghoulism is based on radiation. Supermutant...ism...is based on a mutated virus.
You're going to watch it. Who are you kidding?
Gonna be a while, though. I don't think they've started filming.
Loothound:
I was kind of amazed that we didn't get any hint of super mutants in this season. They are one of the main, iconic bads of the Falloutverse. Also, if Fallout 4 is anything to go by, they attack settlements on every day that ends in a "Y." They should have been swarming over shit.
That salamander thing from the lake, is that an actual game monster? I don't remember coming across anything quite like that…
Butch:
I don't either. I think they made that up. I, too, am stunned at the lack of mutant. We did see a corpse of one, in the enclave as the dude from Lost was running away with Dogmeat. I thought that was gonna be a set up.
We also did not see any deathclaws. I demand deathclaws!
Feminina:
They probably wanted to save something for season 2. It's going to be wall-to-wall supermutants and deathclaws.
And yes, I was joking. I'll definitely watch it.
Butch:
I guess they only had one creature in the budget. And some roaches.
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