accordingtohoyt posted: " Part of the attractiveness of Marxism in all its forms, is that it's a very simple story. Like all its bastard step children, like feminism, or CRT it is simple, obvious and wrong. The wrong doesn't hit a certain type of mind right away, though. P"
Part of the attractiveness of Marxism in all its forms, is that it's a very simple story. Like all its bastard step children, like feminism, or CRT it is simple, obvious and wrong.
The wrong doesn't hit a certain type of mind right away, though. Partly through our fault, our very great fault, since our society's institutions have stopped working and therefore we don't teach kids history in all its multifaceted glory. We don't allow them to see the world as is. Instead, we just have them running around with these bizarre slogans in their heads, and not only looking at the world through them, but also incapable of breaking them.
When I was really small, and really afraid of the dark, there were prayers I said when I went out into the dark. I knew it didn't really help, but it gave me a feeling of protection.
In the same way I suspect most people today know that Marxism isn't reality, but they repeat these shibboleth's as incantations in the belief that it will protect them from the bad reality. For one, it will help, since the people who are in control of society such as it is will reward you for saying these incantations. For another because if you don't break the incantations poured into your head since your earliest days, you can avoid thinking. You can avoid having doubts.
You see, because most people -- and note when I say "kids" I probably include my own generation, now edging towards retirement age, and we might have to include the generation before mine. When did education burn to heck? When did history get lost in media-endorsed (largely Marxist) narrative? 1920? -- don't have anything to replace the "received slogans" with. They've never doubted or thought very deeply about what they were told. They were never skeptical. They never looked for reality.
Most humans just want to fit in. That's all they want to do. And going against what amounts to revealed truth that they have the impression everyone believes in, is no part of it.
Worse, even though the narrative is falling apart, most people still aren't thinking. They're running into stories and hiding there: from Mad Max o Handmaid's Tale, to that rusty sf future so prevalent in the seventies and eighties. It's part of what's egging on climate catastrophism, and a whole host of left-crazy.
And the people who have figured out the full ridiculous evil (how can evil be ridiculous? Well, it usually is. All of it is horrifically ridiculous. It's just the horror that keeps us from laughing) of communism, prefer to turn it on its head, instead of thinking through it.
Take for instance the crap about "inequality". There is really no reason to consider this a bad thing. The only time inequality is bad is when it is as in Cuba or North Korea the result of top-down imposition of equality on most of the people, so they can be exploited by the very few rulers.
In a normal, open society, of course there will be inequality, because some abilities are valued higher than others and some people are better at taking whatever is considered wealth and using it than others, and some of them are better at using social connection. Society is unequal because humans are unequal.
In my almost 60 years of life, what I've realized is that in the end people more or less get what they want. No, I don't mean what they want in the sense of airy-dreaming. I mean, sure, I want all that and a pony. I just don't want to deal with the pony poop.
This came home to me in our mid-thirties, when we were suddenly making good money. The path ahead was clear. Dan could have spent more time working at his career, gone into management and climbed that ladder. Alternately, he could spend more time with us and choose to stagnate at a comfortable-ish career level, but get to see his kids grow up and have time with me. I kind of faced the same, though in my case, even then, I was aware I would need to lie a lot, and lose my soul to become one of the "winners" in my profession.
Let's say both of us realized we didn't want success at that level. As competitive as we were, as much as we wanted to get to the top of our careers, there were things we valued more. There were prices we weren't willing to pay.
A lot of inequality is like that. I can't explain other people's choices. A lot of them are living in what I'd consider stark discomfort, or even wasting their lives. But their choices led them there, and without effort to overcome it, effort to reach for what they say they really want, they are where they chose to be.
Even if the game was rigged or unfair, yes. Most of the time the game is rigged and unfair, because humans are like that, and not like impersonal angels. There are ways to overcome that unfairness, but they're individual. All the government can do is introduce more wholesale unfairness.
But all of the "equity" and "diversity" and "inclusion" bullshit is nothing but a just-so story. The people I know who are unjustly held down are all colors, all sexes, all interests. And they're unfairly held down mostly by these crazed efforts at creating "fairness."
In the end, life is "you lays your money, you takes your prize." Is the prize sometimes not what you expected? Well, things are never simple, are they? In the end, it's a matter of striving for what you want, while life remains.
Or take abortion. Personally I don't expect the SC to overthrow Roe. If they were going to, this leak and the riots that will follow -- on command as usual -- will scare the arrant cowards among them.
But the left is running around with their hair on fire. And they're not all lying on purpose. A lot of them are repeating what they were told: Roe overturned, women and children most affected. Or: Nothing stands between us and women as chattel now. Or: It's now the Handmaid's tale.
None of this makes a whit of sense. You can't get there from here. But it's what these idiots were taught, the slogans in their heads, and even if they could question them, they don't want to.
Because the story in their heads is simple, clear and wrong.
I mean, even if Roe were actually overturned, all it would do would be to devolve the matter to the various states. So the woke states would keep abortion to infinity (or past birth) and beyond, and it would stop it in red states.
So if abortion really leads to handmaid's tale type scenarios (How only insane people can know) there will be an exodus from red states to blue states.
If someone can't get an abortion in a red state, she can go to a blue state. Look, greyhound buses aren't that expensive, and people can form charities to pay for it, right? If they believe that much.
So at most -- AT MOST -- what this will do is make abortion more difficult for women in red states.
WOE! Horror! Fascism! Racism! Cats and dogs sleeping together!
Generations of American women have been told if they can't get an abortion, they're virtual slaves. Because apparently if you can't get rid of an already conceived child it's the end of contraception, the end of women in the work place, the end of civil rights?
Does anyone really believe that load of nonsense?
It might be the end of sleeping around indiscriminately and therefore a blow (eh) to all the men who like no-attachment sex, but most human beings aren't looking for the ultimate bang, no matter what the movies tell you. They're looking for what Romance calls HEA which usually includes a family.
Oh, this might also adversely affect STD-treating doctors, or at least their income.
But it's racism! black women won't be able to have abortions? Sure, because in the mind of the left, all black people are poor. But given our poor are exquisitely tattooed, they probably can afford a grey hound bus. Or some liberal can fund it.
Also, since when is killing black babies proof you're not racism.
And that's when you need to turn the entire narrative on its head.
To begin with, let me tell you a story: when I was in high school -- in a gifted class -- most of us were the perpetual virgins geeks tend to be. One or two were either dating or had arranged marriage of some sort waiting.
And then there was this girl. I don't remember her name. (It's been 41 years.) She was pale, blue eyed, blond, (think a Marilyn Monroe type of look), very well dressed, not in the way of our generations.
I had two conversations with her, over the entire three years we were in the same form. In one, I was railing over the fact my parents wouldn't let me wear makeup (I think we were 14 at the time) and she said I shouldn't wear make up before I had to, and I should limit the amount of time I had makeup on, because she'd been wearing makeup all the time for three years, and her face was so ruined she had to put it on not to look terrible. Another, we were discussing abortion -- and in this Catholic country, where abortion was illegal, our teachers and everyone pushed abortion at us as a humane, sane solution, a way not to ruin our lives with an unplanned child, etc -- she very quietly told us she had two or three a year. She didn't tell us why, nor that it wasn't a good thing. She just made that statement.
The other thing I knew about her, is that she was picked up from school by older men in very expensive cars. Not the same men or cars from day to day.
In our minds -- Lord forgive us -- she was glamorous and daring, living an adult life, while we were children.
Took to my fifties, thinking over it, to realize what was happening. Now, I have no idea why or how she fell into that situation, but there were rumors her mom had left and she was living with her dad, who wasn't a good person.
But you are adults. You can add two plus two. This very young girl had started wearing makeup at 11. She had "dates" with much, much older "boyfriends" and she had multiple abortions a year (Making them illegal doesn't stop them, no. It just makes them expensive, and makes the doctors afraid to botch them, because it means their license.)
Having those abortions made it possible for whoever was profiting from her to keep doing so. No, I have no idea why they didn't use contraception, but they didn't.
And that scenario is much closer to the Handmaid's Tale of women being exploited for being women than any scenario from the overthrow of Roe is likely to be.
Sure, some women have abortions of their own volition, for reasons that seem to them sufficient. But an equal number, if not larger, have them for a man's convenience. Like that deluded woman who drowned her kids so her boyfriend would stay with them, a lot of them have abortions either to satisfy a man, or to satisfy society's idea of who they should be.
Does this mean it should be strictly forbidden? Well, it won't stop them.
But perhaps living it to the states is the best of all solutions. The states were supposed to be laboratories. We'll see in which women will thrive, right?
Because so far, telling women what they want is to live men's dreams of promiscuity and no one's dreams of rootlessness doesn't seem to be working particularly well.
Again, not that I think the SC will dare overthrow Roe. But if they did, a bunch of experiments would take place.
And the one thing it wouldn't be is simple.
Is abortion good or bad for women? Depends on the woman, on when the abortion takes place, on why. Obviously sometimes you do need an abortion to save a life. Just not in most of the cases.
And the pursuit of guiltless and unbound abortion leads mostly to death and dissolution, either in Gosnell's charnel houses or in forty year olds who are shocked they can't conceive.
Only people wedded to shibboleths and simplistic narratives can be scared of the experimentation that the overthrow of Roe would bring.
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